Connection time
Jan 2nd, 2006, 01:26 PM
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Connection time
We arrive at Narita at 1:45 from BKK and want to travel via the Shrinkansen to Kyoto. What is the earliest time to take the train from Narita to Tokoyo to catch the Shrinkansen? In other words, how much time do we need to make our connection from our flight to the Toyko train line and how much time once we get to the Tokoyo train station do we need in order to connect to Shinkansen Nozomi?
Jan 7th, 2006, 01:54 AM
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You asked this question before, didn't you? There is only one variable: the time from the plane to the ticket office. That depends on what class you are in, how much luggage you have, whether you get lost, ..., but figure an hour.
When you get to the ticket office you will tell them that you want to go to Kyoto. You could specify that you want to take the Narita Express and connect to a Nozomi and that you want reserved seats for the shinkansen (the N'Ex is all reserved). The JR person will figure out which shinkansen train you will take.
After you get your tickets and make your way to the track you will have up to a 30 minute wait. Assuming you mean 1:45PM, I checked the current schedule at hyperdia.com It shows departures at 14:13, 14:43, 15:13, 15:43, ... You probably won't amke the one at 14:43 (unless your plane is early and you move fast), maybe the 14:43.
Three hours and forty minutes after your train leaves Narita Airport station you will be in Kyoto if your connection is in Tokyo, including 20 minutes connection time. It's 3h 28 min via Shinagawa, including 9 min to change trains (of the 4 departure times I listed above, only the 15:43 goes via Shinagawa). But you don't care which station you connect at. You will have enough time, in either case, unless you have a ridiculous amount of luggage (that you should have left at Narita Airport to have it delivered the next day in Kyoto).
You could fly from Narita to Osaka and then bus or train into Kyoto. It could cost as little as 11000 yen. What airline are you flying into Narita? How long are you staying? Are you flying out of Narita?
FF programs allow changes to award tix though they will charge you a fee (which would be less than the cost of travelling from Narita to Kyoto).
When you get to the ticket office you will tell them that you want to go to Kyoto. You could specify that you want to take the Narita Express and connect to a Nozomi and that you want reserved seats for the shinkansen (the N'Ex is all reserved). The JR person will figure out which shinkansen train you will take.
After you get your tickets and make your way to the track you will have up to a 30 minute wait. Assuming you mean 1:45PM, I checked the current schedule at hyperdia.com It shows departures at 14:13, 14:43, 15:13, 15:43, ... You probably won't amke the one at 14:43 (unless your plane is early and you move fast), maybe the 14:43.
Three hours and forty minutes after your train leaves Narita Airport station you will be in Kyoto if your connection is in Tokyo, including 20 minutes connection time. It's 3h 28 min via Shinagawa, including 9 min to change trains (of the 4 departure times I listed above, only the 15:43 goes via Shinagawa). But you don't care which station you connect at. You will have enough time, in either case, unless you have a ridiculous amount of luggage (that you should have left at Narita Airport to have it delivered the next day in Kyoto).
You could fly from Narita to Osaka and then bus or train into Kyoto. It could cost as little as 11000 yen. What airline are you flying into Narita? How long are you staying? Are you flying out of Narita?
FF programs allow changes to award tix though they will charge you a fee (which would be less than the cost of travelling from Narita to Kyoto).
Jan 8th, 2006, 04:09 AM
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Thanks mrwunrfl. Again, you answered all my questions. We are flying into Narita March 6 traveling to Kyoto that day and returning to Narita the morning of the 10th were we will depart in the early afternoon for the states. We plan to store our luggage in Narita and take a small roller bag to Kyoto. I didn't realize how cheap the airfare would be. Oh well, I just purchased the JR pass. Lessons learned for next time.
Jan 8th, 2006, 07:19 AM
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Keep in mind that the faster and more frequent Shinkansen Nozomi trains are not covered by the JR Pass. You need to take the slightly slower and bihourly Hikaris.
[Not sure you if you can pay a supplement to ride the Nozomi; others here can give you add. info.]
[Not sure you if you can pay a supplement to ride the Nozomi; others here can give you add. info.]
Jan 8th, 2006, 12:00 PM
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rkkwan is right about the JR Pass not covering the Nozomi. I answered the Narita Airort to Kyoto question without considering the return.
For the Tokyo Nozomi departures that I listed, there are Hikari shinkansen departures only 3 minutes later. At Shinagawa, there would be an additional 13 minutes wait for a Hikari.
You can't pay a supplement to the JR Pass to ride the Nozomi.
What you have purchased is a voucher for a JR Pass. You will exchange that voucher for the actual Pass at the JR Narita Airport station pass exchange office. You can get a full refund for you voucher, if you wanted.
The process would be pretty much the same as I described above except that you will go to the
With your JR Pass, you are good to go. The process would be pretty much the same as I described above except that you will go to the JR Pass exchange office and they will issue your pass and validate it. You will need your passport with the Japan Visitor stamp in it. They will then give you your two reserved seat tickets for your trip to Kyoto and, if you like, two more for your return to Narita Airport.
I'll just mention your other options.
The Nozomi roundtrip from Narita Airport to Kyoto is 4000 yen more than a 7-day JR Pass. For that extra cost you get faster and more frequent trains. Also, the connections would be probably be more convenient between the N'Ex and Nozomi. And the Nozomi platform is probably more convenient to the street at Kyoto station. These are small benefits, perhaps, but worth considering.
For the Tokyo Nozomi departures that I listed, there are Hikari shinkansen departures only 3 minutes later. At Shinagawa, there would be an additional 13 minutes wait for a Hikari.
You can't pay a supplement to the JR Pass to ride the Nozomi.
What you have purchased is a voucher for a JR Pass. You will exchange that voucher for the actual Pass at the JR Narita Airport station pass exchange office. You can get a full refund for you voucher, if you wanted.
The process would be pretty much the same as I described above except that you will go to the
With your JR Pass, you are good to go. The process would be pretty much the same as I described above except that you will go to the JR Pass exchange office and they will issue your pass and validate it. You will need your passport with the Japan Visitor stamp in it. They will then give you your two reserved seat tickets for your trip to Kyoto and, if you like, two more for your return to Narita Airport.
I'll just mention your other options.
The Nozomi roundtrip from Narita Airport to Kyoto is 4000 yen more than a 7-day JR Pass. For that extra cost you get faster and more frequent trains. Also, the connections would be probably be more convenient between the N'Ex and Nozomi. And the Nozomi platform is probably more convenient to the street at Kyoto station. These are small benefits, perhaps, but worth considering.
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Jan 8th, 2006, 12:23 PM
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The other other option is to use the special fares for visitors that both JAL and ANA offer. ANA requires a purchase of two flights, JAL only one.
Last May, I used the ANA Visit Japan Fare offer. It's 12600 yen per flight. I had a return ticket USA to Nagoya and wanted to go to Nagasaki.
Other than going to Nagasaki, my plans were not firm. Since the connection in Nagoya to the ANA flight was so convenient, I purchased a one-way, fully refundable, ticket for Nagoya-> Nagasaki just to be certain that I would get on the flight. And I thought that I might fly to Nagasaki and take the train back.
A week or so later, maybe 3 weeks before my departure, I called ANA back to make Visit JAPAN Fare reservations since I could get two flights for less than the one-way. The res agent allowed me to make a second reservation on the same Nagoya - Nagasaki flight and a flight from Yonago to Nagoya. I told the reservation agent about one-way ticket that I purchased and told her that I was, as yet, undecided on my itinerary. She held the reservations and asked me if I would please be so kind to call back by the day before my departure to Japan to tell them whether I was going to use the one-way full-fare ticket or the two VJF tickets. !! This was a very low fare but they gave me max flexibility. She later modified her request to ask me to call back after I made up my mind but at least 4 days before I left. I did so, exchanging the full-fare ticket for the two VJF tickets at the airport a week or so before my departure. ANA is great and I earned 638 United Mileage Plus miles for the two flights.
Last May, I used the ANA Visit Japan Fare offer. It's 12600 yen per flight. I had a return ticket USA to Nagoya and wanted to go to Nagasaki.
Other than going to Nagasaki, my plans were not firm. Since the connection in Nagoya to the ANA flight was so convenient, I purchased a one-way, fully refundable, ticket for Nagoya-> Nagasaki just to be certain that I would get on the flight. And I thought that I might fly to Nagasaki and take the train back.
A week or so later, maybe 3 weeks before my departure, I called ANA back to make Visit JAPAN Fare reservations since I could get two flights for less than the one-way. The res agent allowed me to make a second reservation on the same Nagoya - Nagasaki flight and a flight from Yonago to Nagoya. I told the reservation agent about one-way ticket that I purchased and told her that I was, as yet, undecided on my itinerary. She held the reservations and asked me if I would please be so kind to call back by the day before my departure to Japan to tell them whether I was going to use the one-way full-fare ticket or the two VJF tickets. !! This was a very low fare but they gave me max flexibility. She later modified her request to ask me to call back after I made up my mind but at least 4 days before I left. I did so, exchanging the full-fare ticket for the two VJF tickets at the airport a week or so before my departure. ANA is great and I earned 638 United Mileage Plus miles for the two flights.
