Am I a patriot?
Dec 8th, 2009, 08:10 PM
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Cherycomb, thank you, you understand. So does USNR and Logandgog.
Welldidntknowthat:
gosh you are right. Florida is a nasty state. Forget the serial killers and hurricanes. Have you read about those nasty plants that wrap about your body and choke you to death? Horrible.
Welldidntknowthat:
gosh you are right. Florida is a nasty state. Forget the serial killers and hurricanes. Have you read about those nasty plants that wrap about your body and choke you to death? Horrible.
Dec 8th, 2009, 08:34 PM
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>There is a plant that keep children away - do share more please!<
These seem to do the trick Cherrybomb.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triffid
These seem to do the trick Cherrybomb.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triffid
Dec 8th, 2009, 08:37 PM
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These ones have the advantage of actually existing but are no less effective.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorogalum
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorogalum
Dec 8th, 2009, 10:05 PM
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"<i>Oh, and per the poster pinting </i>[sic]<i> out that you are semi-"newbie" - it is beside the point per discussion.</i>"
My <i>'point'</i> was that perhaps, just maybe, the OP has not yet discovered the Lounge . . . .
At least that might explain why she stuck this here on Europe.
My <i>'point'</i> was that perhaps, just maybe, the OP has not yet discovered the Lounge . . . .
At least that might explain why she stuck this here on Europe.
Dec 9th, 2009, 06:41 AM
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Welcome to the Lounge.
If you ask 10 people what is patriotic, you'll get 45 answers. Someone could argue that traveling outside the US has a patriotic purpose if you are behaving in a way to promote goodwill and improved ideas of what America is all about. Your idea of patriotism seems to be mainly a matter of economics, and it's kind of quintessential to think of economics and country as one-and-the-same where America is concerned. We could use any boost to the current financial picture.
Happy to have you contribute to small businesses (like Disneyworld?), but while you do that, you might also take in our gorgeous country's beauty and the quality of the people who live in every corner of it. That should add some national pride for any immigrant, as well as plenty of those born right here who've yet to venture out of their own state, even if they've been to London.
If you ask 10 people what is patriotic, you'll get 45 answers. Someone could argue that traveling outside the US has a patriotic purpose if you are behaving in a way to promote goodwill and improved ideas of what America is all about. Your idea of patriotism seems to be mainly a matter of economics, and it's kind of quintessential to think of economics and country as one-and-the-same where America is concerned. We could use any boost to the current financial picture.
Happy to have you contribute to small businesses (like Disneyworld?), but while you do that, you might also take in our gorgeous country's beauty and the quality of the people who live in every corner of it. That should add some national pride for any immigrant, as well as plenty of those born right here who've yet to venture out of their own state, even if they've been to London.
Dec 9th, 2009, 06:51 AM
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If one could travel paying only small businesses directly for services rendered directly, then it might make sense to say, "spend your travel money in your own country and boost its economy".
But that is not possible.
Global entities own things like airlines, gas stations, hotels, theme parks and restaurants. You may be able to avoid some of them, but not all of them. Furthermore, Americans have financial interests in companies doing business abroad--are you saying we should stiff them?
The point is we live in a global economy, as the latest financial crisis should have made clear to everyone. Stephany, you mean well, but IMO this particular definition of patriotism is mistaken.
But that is not possible.
Global entities own things like airlines, gas stations, hotels, theme parks and restaurants. You may be able to avoid some of them, but not all of them. Furthermore, Americans have financial interests in companies doing business abroad--are you saying we should stiff them?
The point is we live in a global economy, as the latest financial crisis should have made clear to everyone. Stephany, you mean well, but IMO this particular definition of patriotism is mistaken.
Dec 9th, 2009, 07:27 AM
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Serious question - is patriotism a desirable personal quality/trait?
I'm not convinced that it is and tend to recognise a truth in the Samuel Johnson aphorism J_R_Hartley quotes above. Particularly with regard to <i>soi-dissant</i> Patriots e.g. BNP,FN, in fact practically every hard-right group you care to mention.
I mean, where would the USA be now had Patriotism trumped Revolution in the 177O's?
In typing this I've just realised how you lot square this - you call the revolutionaries Patriots and those supporting the British Crown Loyalists. Thus you can both have your cake and eat it - being both a "True" Patriot <i>and</i> a Revolutionary. Very neat!
But the crux of my question remains:-
Patriotism: "good", "bad" or, at best, "indifferent"?
Dr D. (voting "Bad")
I'm not convinced that it is and tend to recognise a truth in the Samuel Johnson aphorism J_R_Hartley quotes above. Particularly with regard to <i>soi-dissant</i> Patriots e.g. BNP,FN, in fact practically every hard-right group you care to mention.
I mean, where would the USA be now had Patriotism trumped Revolution in the 177O's?
In typing this I've just realised how you lot square this - you call the revolutionaries Patriots and those supporting the British Crown Loyalists. Thus you can both have your cake and eat it - being both a "True" Patriot <i>and</i> a Revolutionary. Very neat!
But the crux of my question remains:-
Patriotism: "good", "bad" or, at best, "indifferent"?
Dr D. (voting "Bad")
