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Old Feb 3rd, 2010, 06:52 AM
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Greece Help! Planning a two week holiday in Greece for 6...

So we are doing it again...planning a vacation with my parents and my brother and his soon to be wife.

We want to do a 2 week vacation in Greece. We'd like a mix of beach and culture (ruins for example for my dad and me - beach for my brother and mom although they dont have to be together). I'm thinking a mix of mainland and islands.

I'd like to stay in selfcatering places if possible, and would like to get away without having a car and be in walking distances of beaches and villages on the islands. I'd also like to keep it fairly budget, so maybe visiting some less well known islands.

So with this in mind...PLEASE HELP! I am not that familiar with Greece and have been reading all I can, but cant decide what islands or how many?

Would it make sense to do a week on 1 island, 3-4 days somewhere on the mainland, and 3-4 days in Athens? Or do a couple difference islands? Which islands???

We basically want someplace fairly non-touristy (not mykonos for example) with good food, close to beaches, nice views, something of historical importance nearby for my dad.

Please tell me this isnt impossible hahaha...oh and we are looking at late Sept/early Oct 2011.

Thank you sooo much!!
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I found the Fodor's Greece guide helpful for narrowing down what I also considered an overwhelming place to plan a trip.

http://www.greecetravel.com/ is also useful

You have over a year to dream!
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Glad I am not the only one who got overwhelmed!!! Too many options!

Thank you!
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Look at Naxos and Paros for islands, and Napflion on the Peloponnesean Peninsula for access to incredible antiquities and a great little city to base yourselves in. Athens, of course, for a few days.
We found Santorini to be very touristy, more than Mykonos, when we were there. Santorini and Mykonos aare both cruise ship ports so get huge crowds.
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For real--and I am more of a Rough Guide/Lonely Planet fan, but the Fodor's guide's simplicity helped me pick out what I had to see and rule out what would not work for me, etc. I haven't gone yet, so I can't be of more help!
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First of all, you won't find crowds on any island in late September/early October! The season is coming to an end, with hotels, shops, and restaurants beginning to close.

Your idea of spending a week on one island and the rest divided between the mainland and Athens is sound. Crete comes immediately to mind, but since you don't want to rent a car, that may not be the best choice. You might consider Rhodes. Naxos may fit the bill - it has good bus service, and several wonderful beaches withing easy reach of town. There are a few historical sites on the island, and if the excursion boats to Delos are still running, you can see one of the most important archaeological sites in Greece.
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Hi there,

Rhodes, Crete and Santorini all come to mind. You said you didn't want anything touristy but Santorini is really spectacular. You can fly in or out if time is an issue though arriving by boat is wonderful because of the view of the island as you near the port.

We stayed in Chania in Crete which was lovely, we were there in early October and it was fairly quiet as the tourist season was just about done.

In Rhodes we stayed in the main town which is full of history and did a day trip by bus to Lindos which is interesting. We also did a day trip by boat to Symi, an island just off the Turkish coast which we would really recommend.

We've been to Athens twice and although there are things of historical importance to see there, it's not a place we would ever want to go back to.

Although you said you weren't interested in Mykonos, the island of Delos is only a short boat ride away and is fascinating - ruins on a deserted island with great views from the top of the hill (I got dragged up there and was so glad I did.)

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Thank you all so much for the ideas! Now to get doing some research!
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I suggest a week on Naxos, 3-4 days in Nafplio exploring the Argolid, 3-4 days Athens. SInce you are going sept-Oct, you want an island with a large permanent population so it won't feell "closing Down" ... and Naxos is that. lNafplio also is a year-round favorite of Athenians for weekend getaways. And BOTH have tons of History, for your dad. In fact, Nafplio has a FREE audio guide Dad can borrow at the Cultural Information office for strolling around the town's landmarks (while the rest of you loll in waterfront cafes or browse some super-chic shops). And Nafplio has 4,000 year old ruins to trip over, wherever you go.

Since it's off-season, I suggest staying in the St. George (Ag. Giorgios) beach area, directly adjacent to Naxos town... no need for car, a 10 minute stroll to harborside tavernas, cafes, etc. Ag. Giorgios has a TON of self-catering places right near the beach... and very budget. YOu may want 2 adjoining "studio" units rather than one huge apartment ... actually adds up to same cost, provides a bit more privacy. Check out Hotel Asteria (specify apts), Hotel St. George, Hotel Elizabeth, Studios Thomais, Studios Kalergis, Sun Beach Hotel -- all these are either on beach or within about 50 meters of same. This website shows locale of many of these :http://www.naxos-greece.net/site/gfx...hotels_map.jpg A bit farther back from beach, Hotel Argos, recommended by regulars, has apartments.

About Seeing places like Delos ... if Naxos would be during the Sept. part of your visit, there are 2 companies offering 2x a week excursions to Mykonos/Delos -- I recommend the company using the Boat Alexander, a larger more stable vessel than the other. Goes about 8:30 am -- has 3.5 hours at each place, returns at 5:30 back in Naxos 7:30. In fall, when winds come up, good to check weather report the day before, and t hen book. There is also a 1-day excursion, same vessel, to Santorini. Cost for each: about €55 in 2009.
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About the 4,000 year old ruins -- I meant they were in NAXOS. In fact, when repaving the courtyard in front of the Cathedral a few years ago, they discovered an entire Mycenaean graveyard, complete with ritual vessels used by mourners to purify selves after burials! They just covered the area with glass block, so you can look down into 2500 b.c. Also, the tiny museum at the top of the town has SCORES of those pre-historic mysterious marble idols that every major museum in the world would die to have. Watched over by 2 elderly guards sitting in folding chairs.
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Wow, thank you so much! Love the audioguide for my dad!!!! Perfect solution.

I think I will push for mid-Sept for the trip as it seems like more is open?

I was thinking maybe 4.5 days on Paros, 5.5 days on Naxos (with day trips to Santorini and Delphos/Mykonos), and then 3.5 days in Athens with a day trip to maybe Delphi or Corinth. Is this workable? I like the idea of experiencing two island bases...?

With regards to Nafplio, I couldnt figure out how to logistically fit it in with Athens and the islands without backtracking through Athens (we would fly in and out of Athens and want to head straight out to our first destination and then end in Athens). Nafplio is west and the islands are south east...any thoughts on how to do that logistically?

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Jamikins I think you have received some very good advice here.
Personalty I would not do Naxos and Paros as they are quite similar. Even the short one hour ferry ride between them eats up a good half day by the time you check out wait for the ferry find your new hotel and get checked in.
If I were to do one that would be Naxos as I think it has more to do and see and has a larger town to explore. There are a few antiquities spread around the island and lovely mountain villages and very good beaches including St George that is adjacent to Naxos town.
If you chose Paros the rest of the plan still works.
You can take the day excursion to Santorini and another one to Delos Mykonos for some change of scenery.

You can then go back to Athens and catch the bus to Nauplion which is a delightful seaside town with neoclassical architecture and three Venetian era fortresses to explore. There are day trips to other ancient sites all available by bus from Nauplion as well.

From Nauplion head back to Athens for you last few days.
Here are some pictures to show you want to expect.

Naxos
http://travel.webshots.com/album/552001505EYxVYT
Nauplion
http://travel.webshots.com/album/551991579dJbWvh
Have fun planning
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Jamikins,

The way to do it, logistically, is the way YOU originally outlined it ... a week on an Island, 3-4 days on the mainland, and 3-4 days in Athens. In just 2 weeks, you cannot fit in an additional island. i followed your rules, only putting the Island visit 2nd and the Mainland first) ... and now you say you have changed your mind. Here are the details of what I suggested:

(!) NAFPLIO ETC - (3/4 days) on arrival pick up car at airport (You can rent a van that holds 6+ luggage) and drive 2.5 hours on modern divided highway to Nafplion. If your flight arrives in AM, you can even stop at Ancient Corinth on the way. Except for Athens, this "Argolid" area is THE richest in terms of ancient sites ... Mycenae, Tiryns, Epidaurus with its amazing 15,000-seat theatre ... even Nemea, the "sister site" to Olympia as a Sacred Games Site... just 1/4 mile off the highway. And Nafplio Old Town itself is considered the most beautiful town in Greece.. it's a World Heritage Site ... gorgeous architecture stair- stepped up a peninsula, a central square paved entirely in Marble. Check these photos!http://travel.webshots.com/slideshow/551991579dJbWvh ... what is more, for you beachies, there are plenty: a darling pebble beach on the other side of the peninsula, and a 15 minute drive away, Tolo Beach and MY fave, Assine.

After Nafplio, if you are SET on seeing Delphi, this would be the efficient time, adding just a day -- hang a left after coming back over the Canal (to see route, consult Michelin's wonderful drive-planning site) http://www.viamichelin.com/tpl/hme/MaHomePage.htm . You would have to add a night in Delphi, see ruins in early a.m. (opens at 8), then leave by 11 say, and a 3.5 hour drive back to Athens airport to turn in car.... OR (because there's only 1 flight per day to Naxos and that's about noon or 1 pm) ...drive instead to Piraeus seaport, drop car there and get the 5 pm Blue Star Ferry to Naxos... arrive 9:45.

(2) NAXOS -- 5 Days ... 2 of which you COULD use for day trips if you're all that restless. Some of your party may find it more rewarding to explore Naxos; rent a car and tootle around the most mountainous, green ruins-filled isle in the Cyclades. Whatever. Getting back to Piraeus will take you 5 hours. The daytime ferry (10am-3pm) cuts up a whole day, but u n get a 6 pm Blue Star sailing I call the "dinner ferry." Enjoy sunset on deck, have a lite meal in cafe, go on to reserved-economy lean-back inside seats to read, snooze. Arrive 11:30.

(3) ATHENS -- 3/4 Days. Stay in Plaka district; all historic sites walkable from there.

If you want Paros INSTEAD of Nafplio, fine. There would still be a challenge getting flights to the island -- I think Paros has 2 flights per day, right now 9:20 am & noon. For the day-trips, THose excursion companies also stop at Paros, but to catch the boat, you must get to Naoussa, the other end of the island from Port of Parikia. For your mixed-age group Paros may be a little more complicated to please everyone ... i.e. Dad would want to be near Parikia for his interests, but beach isn't very good there, for you guys, & getting to good beaches means car rental. Self-catering units near best beaches are not walking distance to stuff of historic interest, or to the variety of tavernas/cafes that you may want.

Just curious; did you choose Paros just because you wanted another island experience? Or is there some particular Paros feature that attracts you? Remember, those 2 day-trips would give you a taste of 4 islands altogether.

And don't forget - changing venues eats up 1/2 day minimum. Nothing is simple, not like home where u jump in a car & GO. Island travel in Greece is time consuming unless you have flying carpet or can walk on water. ... and neither of those has happened in the Med since long long ago ... Good luck with planning a great holiday!
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Well, you've gotten your replies from the Naxos mafia!

Personally I enjoy going to Naxos, but would never dream of going there without combining it with Paros and Antiparos. Usually I just go to Antiparos. That's just me, though. ;-)
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Don't be mean, Heimdall Actually I love Paros, (la-la-la, I love Paros in the SPringtime, la-la-la) and am determined to get to Antiparos this May-June if I can And I'd just as soon recommend Paros over Naxos in this scenario, or have her go for BOTH, over Nafplion .... I mainly hope the OP does some digging on her own, and finds the reasons why she or her group wants a particular island (or 2) , not look to us to sway her.
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Hi Jan,

Sorry, I couldn't resist!
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Old Feb 6th, 2010, 12:44 AM
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You guys are fabulous!!!! Sooo many choices and wonderful ones!

I will settle in for some research this weekend and talk it over with the fam.

The reasons for Paros was just to see another island and this one seemed more affordable than say Santorini...but with the day trips perhaps a week on Naxos would work best. I dont like moving around a lot. I also found a day kayaking trip around antiparos...so we could do that from Naxos as well.

Thank you thank you thank you!!!!!!
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OK, so after much discussion this weekend this is what I have come up with:

Fly to Athens on a morning flight. Family will arrive in London prior to this so no worries with transfers.

Upon arrival, pick up car and drive, via Corinth, to Nafplion.

4 nights, 3 full days here seeing Nafplion and surrounding beaches/ruins

Drive to Piraeus and catch evening 'dinner' ferry to Naxos.

6 nights, 5 full days on Naxos - relax and see beachs/sites of Naxos and do day trips to Santorini and Mykonos/Delo, maybe do some kayaking around Antiparos

Ferry back to Athens (or should we fly?) staying in the Plaka area.

4 nights, 3 full days in Athens to see the sites, and potentially do a day trip to Delphi.

Then fly back to London (and eventually Canada for my family)!

I think this is very workable - lots to see, lots of options, and not too much moving around...does it sound reasonable?

Thanks again!!
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Since you plan to rent a car be sure to go to your local CAA office to pick up an International Driving Permit, no test required.
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Sadly, it's not feasible to do a day trip to Antiparos from Naxos. Technically possible, I suppose, but given ferry schedules, you would have little time on the island before having to return to Parikia for the ferry back to Naxos. Enjoy the excursions to Delos/Mykonos and Santorini, but save Antiparos for another trip.
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