Something strange happend to me at the Oslo Gardermoen airport.
Oct 26th, 2008, 01:14 PM
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You guys talk as if you have no experience. Only trying to convince me to be a stickler to the rules. Why is it people who travel constantly, and I mean CONSTANTLY always advise me to go for it, and people who just travel sparingly (as TOURISTS) always advise me not to do it. I see a pattern forming there.
It probably makes more sense to take the advise of the former. Don't you think?
It probably makes more sense to take the advise of the former. Don't you think?
Oct 26th, 2008, 01:16 PM
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sandy, darling.
feel free to overstay. I beg you to overstay.
(that way you'll get deproted and banned from entering the Schengen (note the spelling) area again for at least 5 years).
Eventually, we'll have gotten rid of you.
feel free to overstay. I beg you to overstay.
(that way you'll get deproted and banned from entering the Schengen (note the spelling) area again for at least 5 years).
Eventually, we'll have gotten rid of you.
Oct 26th, 2008, 01:35 PM
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I have a friend in Norweigian immigration. I have forwarded this thread to him for his advice. There is enough info here for him to identify you so I should be able to get some very specific advice for you.
Oct 26th, 2008, 01:37 PM
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I think you are just enjoying causing a stir because it is hard to imagine someone as dumb as you seem to be having the financial resources to travel, but on the assumption that you are serious, please consider the following.
What you do not understand is that virtually any immigration officer anywhere in the world has the right to ban you from entry summarily, with the possible exception of your own country. Try getting into Bermuda, for example, without a return ticket.
You do not seem to understand that in a world of internationally connected computers and increasingly intrusive governments, your record will follow you to many of the places you want to go in the future. What do you think is happening at, say, Heathrow, while the immigration officer is making small talk after scanning your passport?
Kids here in the US post pictures of themselves and their friends smoking dope or in compromising positions on Facebook then don't understand why they aren't getting job offers. Well, duh. Anyone offering professional employment is going to look for that stuff. Stuff catches up with you eventually.
What you do not understand is that virtually any immigration officer anywhere in the world has the right to ban you from entry summarily, with the possible exception of your own country. Try getting into Bermuda, for example, without a return ticket.
You do not seem to understand that in a world of internationally connected computers and increasingly intrusive governments, your record will follow you to many of the places you want to go in the future. What do you think is happening at, say, Heathrow, while the immigration officer is making small talk after scanning your passport?
Kids here in the US post pictures of themselves and their friends smoking dope or in compromising positions on Facebook then don't understand why they aren't getting job offers. Well, duh. Anyone offering professional employment is going to look for that stuff. Stuff catches up with you eventually.
Oct 26th, 2008, 02:15 PM
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I think you might get better answers from the Thorn Tree forum. The folks who mostly read and post here are sticklers for the rules, but over on Lonely planet they are a bit more freewheeling. Just reading over your other posts, I think you could get a lot of questions answered there. try this:
http://www.lonelyplanet.com/thorntre...spa?forumID=53
http://www.lonelyplanet.com/thorntre...spa?forumID=53
Oct 26th, 2008, 02:18 PM
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"Unless I look like an Arab or African, or make direct eye contact with the customs guy (who is the only official I'll probably see) there should be no reason why anyone would need to see my passport.
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I thought you were of Iranian origin?
And every time I fly the airline checks my passport against the ticket, even if it's in the EU. I think the airline gets fined if anyone it transports is illegal, so they might not agree to take you from Norway to Italy at the very end of your 90 days, even if you go right away.
But you're obviously going to ignore all advice to keep to the law.
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I thought you were of Iranian origin?
And every time I fly the airline checks my passport against the ticket, even if it's in the EU. I think the airline gets fined if anyone it transports is illegal, so they might not agree to take you from Norway to Italy at the very end of your 90 days, even if you go right away.
But you're obviously going to ignore all advice to keep to the law.
Oct 26th, 2008, 02:31 PM
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>>>As for couch-surfing - that's a really bad idea to talk to any immigration official about that. They do NOT want you to couch surf. <<<
That's complete nonsense. The Schengen immigration rules are precise - and pretty much the same as the U.S. rules - about 90 days. It has NOTHING to do with couchsurfing. It's the law. And laws have to be obeyed. It is as simple as that.
Sandy's only chance is to get a quick visa within her 5-day-period. It may work if she gets a Norwegian bailsman. And this forum obviously has some very valuable resources in this respect.
That's complete nonsense. The Schengen immigration rules are precise - and pretty much the same as the U.S. rules - about 90 days. It has NOTHING to do with couchsurfing. It's the law. And laws have to be obeyed. It is as simple as that.
Sandy's only chance is to get a quick visa within her 5-day-period. It may work if she gets a Norwegian bailsman. And this forum obviously has some very valuable resources in this respect.
Oct 26th, 2008, 02:41 PM
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Are they just rules or laws? So you want advice here on breaking laws in other countries? There is a big difference between being a "stickler" and intentionally breaking laws. As for Momliz's suggestion that the folks on Lonely Planet's Thorntree are more "freewheeling", what she really means is they are more dishonest.
Oct 26th, 2008, 03:24 PM
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kybourbon, no, that's not what I meant. I do not mean to imply that. I do not understand the Schengen rules, and did not take the time to do Sandy's math, so won't get involved in the minutiae of whether her ideas are legal or not. But, the folks on Thorn Tree are the types to shop in second hand stores in the country they visit, or take years off and travel around. It seems that their ideas on travel might be more compatible, that's all.
But on another subject, check this article on bourbon that was in the latest Conde Nast Traveler - it might be of interest to you:
http://www.concierge.com/cntraveler/articles/500072
But on another subject, check this article on bourbon that was in the latest Conde Nast Traveler - it might be of interest to you:
http://www.concierge.com/cntraveler/articles/500072
Oct 26th, 2008, 03:26 PM
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LOL sandy456, you know all the answers so why did you even start this thread?
Go to Italy or where ever.
Post back at some point about your experience.
No need for anyone here on Fodor's to give you good advice is there as you seem to have it all figured out.
Go to Italy or where ever.
Post back at some point about your experience.
No need for anyone here on Fodor's to give you good advice is there as you seem to have it all figured out.
Oct 26th, 2008, 03:33 PM
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"I have a friend in Norweigian immigration. I have forwarded this thread to him for his advice. There is enough info here for him to identify you so I should be able to get some very specific advice for you."
This statement is priceless, and I am still laughing! Thank you!!
This statement is priceless, and I am still laughing! Thank you!!
Oct 26th, 2008, 03:45 PM
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Momliz - The OP has been trying to get around following other countries visa laws for quite awhile and has been advised against it numerous times on other threads. She/he may or may not get away with it.
My SN is in honor of my ancestor, a Baptist minister, Elijah Craig (credited with inventing bourbon).
http://www.bardstownbourbonsociety.c...jahsingle.html
If you visit, just follow the highways signs to the Bourbon Trail.
http://www.kybourbontrail.com/#history
My SN is in honor of my ancestor, a Baptist minister, Elijah Craig (credited with inventing bourbon).
http://www.bardstownbourbonsociety.c...jahsingle.html
If you visit, just follow the highways signs to the Bourbon Trail.
http://www.kybourbontrail.com/#history
Oct 26th, 2008, 04:09 PM
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yes, I spent a little time going back on the forum and the OP was at it years ago in Asia. He/she might be unrealistic and trying to do something illegal, but her ideas are all ones that I have dreamed about at one point or another - I bet I'm 20 years older, at least, though, and with a job and kids... that life would be tough 
I did get around the worst of the illegality issues when I lived in France by marrying a dear friend, however. That worked out very nicely for years, till we decided to grow up, and wanted to settle down. So, we got a cheap divorce and went our ways...
I did get around the worst of the illegality issues when I lived in France by marrying a dear friend, however. That worked out very nicely for years, till we decided to grow up, and wanted to settle down. So, we got a cheap divorce and went our ways...
Oct 26th, 2008, 05:29 PM
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Sandy said: * If I fly Oslo-Rome, there will be no passport control*
Even infants (0 -12 months) need to show their own passports with accurate photos(!) on a trip to Italy, traveling from Norway. Trust me on this. They will check your passport 3 times: when you check in, when you enter the international flight terminal (this is the worst part for you, as this is the immigration) and then upon entering your flight.
Why not contact immigration and ask them about your situation? Then you will know with 100 % accuracy how the Norwegians interpret the regulations.
I just don't belive in your story: nobody will enter the schengen zone within 179 days, if the rules say you need to stay out 1 more day before entering... So i guess your having a laugh. If you have resided 91 days outside the Schengen area, you CAN be entiteled to a new stay, even if you're no mathwiz with the 179 days.
Just talk to imigrations. You will have to be polite though, but as you don't know your sponsors, you are in somewhat of a trouble.
And do think about your sponsors. They are RESPONSIBLE for you. So if you get them in to trouble...
Even infants (0 -12 months) need to show their own passports with accurate photos(!) on a trip to Italy, traveling from Norway. Trust me on this. They will check your passport 3 times: when you check in, when you enter the international flight terminal (this is the worst part for you, as this is the immigration) and then upon entering your flight.
Why not contact immigration and ask them about your situation? Then you will know with 100 % accuracy how the Norwegians interpret the regulations.
I just don't belive in your story: nobody will enter the schengen zone within 179 days, if the rules say you need to stay out 1 more day before entering... So i guess your having a laugh. If you have resided 91 days outside the Schengen area, you CAN be entiteled to a new stay, even if you're no mathwiz with the 179 days.
Just talk to imigrations. You will have to be polite though, but as you don't know your sponsors, you are in somewhat of a trouble.
And do think about your sponsors. They are RESPONSIBLE for you. So if you get them in to trouble...
