Is this the last straw? Will you still consider taking a cruise to Venice?
Jun 3rd, 2019, 02:31 PM
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Is this the last straw? Will you still consider taking a cruise to Venice?
Is this the last straw? Will you still consider taking a cruise to Venice?
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Jun 3rd, 2019, 02:48 PM
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I've never considered a Venice/Mediterranean cruise. They are really floating binge dining, casino, on board shopping, interrupted by a few hours in ports. When I visited Venice the huge cruise ships were a blight . . . so no.
(I am not totally anti-cruise I've been on an Alaska Inside Passage cruise that was great, and on a couple of small river boat trips -- but a Med cruise is not seeing Europe -- it is a cruise with some shore excursions)
(I am not totally anti-cruise I've been on an Alaska Inside Passage cruise that was great, and on a couple of small river boat trips -- but a Med cruise is not seeing Europe -- it is a cruise with some shore excursions)
Jun 3rd, 2019, 08:54 PM
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Doesn't this belong on the Cruise board?
I have never considered taking a cruise to/from/including Venice, so the question doesn't really apply to me, However, I posted this on the related thread on the Europe board: " Massive cruise ships with thousands of passengers - definitely not something I want to try. However, a Hurtigruten cruise up the Norwegian coast on a smaller ship that was also a lifeline for the coastal communities - that was great. Shorter cruise on a basic boat also a lifeline along the Chilean coast - ditto. I'd consider the ferry system in Alaska, or an Antarctic cruise as well. Plus, as I get more decrepit, it may come down to a river cruise or nothing.
Yes, I hate the behemoths, but not all cruises are alike, and not all people are alike either. That said, I have always thought those big ships should be banned from Venice. Very glad that more people weren't hurt. "
I only hope that this horrible event (although happily not nearly as bad as it might have been) will lead FINALLY to those oversize floating villages being banned from the waters in and around Venice.
I have never considered taking a cruise to/from/including Venice, so the question doesn't really apply to me, However, I posted this on the related thread on the Europe board: " Massive cruise ships with thousands of passengers - definitely not something I want to try. However, a Hurtigruten cruise up the Norwegian coast on a smaller ship that was also a lifeline for the coastal communities - that was great. Shorter cruise on a basic boat also a lifeline along the Chilean coast - ditto. I'd consider the ferry system in Alaska, or an Antarctic cruise as well. Plus, as I get more decrepit, it may come down to a river cruise or nothing.
Yes, I hate the behemoths, but not all cruises are alike, and not all people are alike either. That said, I have always thought those big ships should be banned from Venice. Very glad that more people weren't hurt. "
I only hope that this horrible event (although happily not nearly as bad as it might have been) will lead FINALLY to those oversize floating villages being banned from the waters in and around Venice.
Jun 4th, 2019, 06:56 AM
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Interesting janisj that you say that cruise ships are really floating binge dining, casino, on board shopping, interrupted by a few hours in ports in the Med, but not in Alaska. That doesn't exactly make much sense.
Jun 4th, 2019, 07:16 AM
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The question is whether this crash is relevant to the problem of cruise ships in Venice. It's not. The crash was an accident that could happen anywhere and had no real effect on the serious problems of cruise ships in Venice, either via lagoon degradation or by over-tourism.
The problem of cruise ships in the lagoon is a serious one and is largely the fault of Venice itself. The cruise ship docking area at Venice forces cruise ships to cruise through Venice's lagoon and its most critical canal. The cruise terminal should have been built at the least on the eastern edge of the main island if not just outside the lagoon which would have been better. A strict capacity per day limit via ship berthing reservations should have been implemented years ago and coupled with a new cruise terminal facility could stop many of the problems now encountered due to cruise ships.
Of course, none of this will reverse the effects of global warming, higher seas and the rotting infrastructure of Venice. That will need to be addressed by serious moves on the part of Venice and Italy as even the total elimination of Venice as a cruise ship destination will not save Venice. Venice needs tourism to pay for its future and needs to finally come to grips with that fact. Then it needs to finally create and implement a legitimate plan to save the city that doesn't cut off one of its most significant and dependable funding sources.
The problem of cruise ships in the lagoon is a serious one and is largely the fault of Venice itself. The cruise ship docking area at Venice forces cruise ships to cruise through Venice's lagoon and its most critical canal. The cruise terminal should have been built at the least on the eastern edge of the main island if not just outside the lagoon which would have been better. A strict capacity per day limit via ship berthing reservations should have been implemented years ago and coupled with a new cruise terminal facility could stop many of the problems now encountered due to cruise ships.
Of course, none of this will reverse the effects of global warming, higher seas and the rotting infrastructure of Venice. That will need to be addressed by serious moves on the part of Venice and Italy as even the total elimination of Venice as a cruise ship destination will not save Venice. Venice needs tourism to pay for its future and needs to finally come to grips with that fact. Then it needs to finally create and implement a legitimate plan to save the city that doesn't cut off one of its most significant and dependable funding sources.
Jun 4th, 2019, 07:47 AM
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>>That doesn't exactly make much sense.<<
IMO it makes a lot of sense. Unless one decides to use the ferries and float planes -- visiting the small ports in SE Alaska is not actually doable except by cruise. Venice for 8 hours with MANY thousands of other day trippers is apples and orange from 8 hours in Skagway or Icy Straight Point.
IMO it makes a lot of sense. Unless one decides to use the ferries and float planes -- visiting the small ports in SE Alaska is not actually doable except by cruise. Venice for 8 hours with MANY thousands of other day trippers is apples and orange from 8 hours in Skagway or Icy Straight Point.
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Jun 6th, 2019, 12:39 PM
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There are people who day trip over land to see Venice as well. I disagree that it’s “not seeing Europe”. They saw some of it. Neither version appeals to me, but I know people who love cruising. They’re dining out like they would on land, spending time at the pool, shopping, etc. sure, the food isn’t “local” food, but it’s not any different than eating at a chain restaurant in an exotic destination. If it works for them, great. It’s not a reflection on their character—it’s hardly a den of vice.
The accident was an accident. I hope the line and the person responsible were fined til it hurt, because stuff like that shouldn’t happen. I don’t care if it’s a cruise ship in Seattle or Venice.
Venice allows those ships to visit. It’s responsible for the location of the dock. I suppose one certainly can be angry at the mobs of tourists, some of whom behave poorly, but it’s always struck me as odd that Venetians and other lovers of Venice aren’t directing most of their fury where it belongs—the city officials of Venice. I agree that Venice needs to come to terms with the fact that they are dependent on tourism. It’s a myth that Venice’s main problem is tourism or that tourism is the chief thing driving away residents. Venice would have much larger problems if there were no tourist dollars and residents would still be leaving—probably at a greater rate.
The accident was an accident. I hope the line and the person responsible were fined til it hurt, because stuff like that shouldn’t happen. I don’t care if it’s a cruise ship in Seattle or Venice.
Venice allows those ships to visit. It’s responsible for the location of the dock. I suppose one certainly can be angry at the mobs of tourists, some of whom behave poorly, but it’s always struck me as odd that Venetians and other lovers of Venice aren’t directing most of their fury where it belongs—the city officials of Venice. I agree that Venice needs to come to terms with the fact that they are dependent on tourism. It’s a myth that Venice’s main problem is tourism or that tourism is the chief thing driving away residents. Venice would have much larger problems if there were no tourist dollars and residents would still be leaving—probably at a greater rate.
Jun 10th, 2019, 05:24 AM
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I completely agree with this. Having just visited Venice, we mostly walked everywhere, however on the last day we took a water bus (vaperetos) and travelled past the Cruise docking area and couldn't agree more. Seeing these massive Cruise liners travel right next to us was to be honest an incredible sight, but definitely dangerous. Sadly it's not surprising that this event occurred in the first place. Venice itself in my opinion needs to be travelled on by foot generally anyway, in order to really take it in.
Jun 14th, 2019, 02:43 AM
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Well, it is a good fun to be on the cruise ship, but in this case I don't think it is good for Venice.
So - no.
There are so many places you can go by ship, then why to Venice?
On the other side, this place seems to be too crowded for me.
So - no.
There are so many places you can go by ship, then why to Venice?
On the other side, this place seems to be too crowded for me.
