Relocating to San Jose, California
Mar 6th, 2002, 05:15 AM
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I find it rather intriguing that there are certain people or a person (Susan spike, Grasshopper, Not for me, Dick, etc.) who have such a deep personal contempt for San Jose, have nothing better to do than to scan postings with any mention of San Jose, so that they can bash it. These people or person hopefully is/are being paid well by the San Francisco Chamber of Commerce for their valiant effort.
Mar 6th, 2002, 07:05 AM
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San Jose is not what it was. Most of the Bay Area is not. And, in my opinion, neither has necessarily improved with "progress." My mother-in-law was born in San Jose, and many trips to San Jose to visit aunts and uncles were made before the freeway was finished. It was a delightful place then.
Grasshopper is correct, the traffic is horrendous, the sprawl enormous, housing expense through the stratosphere, jobs now scarce, and it certainly would not be my choice to relocate to from "another country."
The basic problem in our whole area is too many people. Let's face it, everyone can't live in California and any sort of quality of life continue to exist here.
j
Grasshopper is correct, the traffic is horrendous, the sprawl enormous, housing expense through the stratosphere, jobs now scarce, and it certainly would not be my choice to relocate to from "another country."
The basic problem in our whole area is too many people. Let's face it, everyone can't live in California and any sort of quality of life continue to exist here.
j
Mar 6th, 2002, 07:50 AM
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Toni, My daughters last took the bus in '97 so maybe things improved since then. But trust me, they investigated every possible way to shorten the route. We lived in Evergreen Valley and they changed at Eastridge, changed downtown, changed on Stevens Creek and then ended up walking more than a half mile to Mitty. (they usually brought their bikes on the bus) All of those changes required longish waits for the next bus and frankly, not all were places you feel good about them hanging out til the next bus came. Also, they complained that frequently the bus driver would just pass on by if they felt "full". I don't have any deep contempt for San Jose. In fact, it has some great aspects. I just am very concerned about touting it on a travel board as a great destination. And like I said, it's a tough relocation.
Mar 6th, 2002, 07:51 AM
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First of all, I am me an no one else, I've posted under no other name(s) Why can't SJC groupies believe that there are people out there who would not recommend living in their precious city? Find me a reputable publication that ranks San Jose highly among american cities. Here's the real deal:
Property is more than double national average with appreciation rates below average.
They are in the heartland of technology but education spending per student is below national average.
Cost of living index is almost double national average, state taxes are above average.
Arts index is below national average.
The air quality is great and the weather is great,crime is low, if you live there and like it, good for you. But Carl wants opinions from people that have been there and that's what he's getting. I've spent a decent amount of time there and it's not for me, plain and simple. Why am I not entitled to my opinion? I have made no untrue statements; I said "I'll never live there" that is a fact - the other data given in provided by CNN.
As for Carl's other question: my company will not pay anyone less than $45k who relocates there and most who do, regret the decision just based on the salary vs. cost of living; they didn't realize how expensive things would be - that's not to say that they don't like SJC otherwise. From my travels and financial issues which I deal with through work, I'd say that a single person would need to make at least $50k to be comfortable without any hope of owning a home. You may very well like San Jose but make sure you do a lot of homework before relocating there.
Property is more than double national average with appreciation rates below average.
They are in the heartland of technology but education spending per student is below national average.
Cost of living index is almost double national average, state taxes are above average.
Arts index is below national average.
The air quality is great and the weather is great,crime is low, if you live there and like it, good for you. But Carl wants opinions from people that have been there and that's what he's getting. I've spent a decent amount of time there and it's not for me, plain and simple. Why am I not entitled to my opinion? I have made no untrue statements; I said "I'll never live there" that is a fact - the other data given in provided by CNN.
As for Carl's other question: my company will not pay anyone less than $45k who relocates there and most who do, regret the decision just based on the salary vs. cost of living; they didn't realize how expensive things would be - that's not to say that they don't like SJC otherwise. From my travels and financial issues which I deal with through work, I'd say that a single person would need to make at least $50k to be comfortable without any hope of owning a home. You may very well like San Jose but make sure you do a lot of homework before relocating there.
Mar 6th, 2002, 07:53 AM
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Joanne,
I realize that California is becoming very crowded, especially its major metropolitan areas such as L.A.,
San Jose, and San Diego, etc. However, for many who have never been to California, there is this mystique about great weather and beaches, etc. I think that we should not be selfish in trying to discourage people from moving to California for whatever reason. Admittedly, traffic,cost of living, etc. in the big cities can be a problem. But that is the price we pay for the convenience of living in the city. There are many rural areas of California for those that prefer a slower pace. Although I am a California native, I have lived in the Midwest and Northeast. I have yet to find a better place to live. In California you can have the advantage of living in the city and yet be close to the ocean or to the mountains at the same time. It the best of urban convenience and outdoor adventure all in one place. Remember that the great State of California was built by people who immigrated from other states or countries. If it were not for them, California would not have succeeded economically. Diversity is what makes this state so great.
I realize that California is becoming very crowded, especially its major metropolitan areas such as L.A.,
San Jose, and San Diego, etc. However, for many who have never been to California, there is this mystique about great weather and beaches, etc. I think that we should not be selfish in trying to discourage people from moving to California for whatever reason. Admittedly, traffic,cost of living, etc. in the big cities can be a problem. But that is the price we pay for the convenience of living in the city. There are many rural areas of California for those that prefer a slower pace. Although I am a California native, I have lived in the Midwest and Northeast. I have yet to find a better place to live. In California you can have the advantage of living in the city and yet be close to the ocean or to the mountains at the same time. It the best of urban convenience and outdoor adventure all in one place. Remember that the great State of California was built by people who immigrated from other states or countries. If it were not for them, California would not have succeeded economically. Diversity is what makes this state so great.
Mar 6th, 2002, 07:56 AM
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Joanne,
I realize that California is becoming very crowded, especially its major metropolitan areas such as L.A.,
San Jose, and San Diego, etc. However, for many who have never been to California, there is this mystique about great weather and beaches, etc. I think that we should not be selfish in trying to discourage people from moving to California for whatever reason. Admittedly, traffic,cost of living, etc. in the big cities can be a problem. But that is the price we pay for the convenience of living in the city. There are many rural areas of California for those that prefer a slower pace. Although I am a California native, I have lived in the Midwest and Northeast. I have yet to find a better place to live. In California you can have the advantage of living in the city and yet be close to the ocean or to the mountains at the same time. It the best of urban convenience and outdoor adventure all in one place. Remember that the great State of California was built by people who immigrated from other states or countries. If it were not for them, California would not have succeeded economically. Diversity is what makes this state so great.
I realize that California is becoming very crowded, especially its major metropolitan areas such as L.A.,
San Jose, and San Diego, etc. However, for many who have never been to California, there is this mystique about great weather and beaches, etc. I think that we should not be selfish in trying to discourage people from moving to California for whatever reason. Admittedly, traffic,cost of living, etc. in the big cities can be a problem. But that is the price we pay for the convenience of living in the city. There are many rural areas of California for those that prefer a slower pace. Although I am a California native, I have lived in the Midwest and Northeast. I have yet to find a better place to live. In California you can have the advantage of living in the city and yet be close to the ocean or to the mountains at the same time. It the best of urban convenience and outdoor adventure all in one place. Remember that the great State of California was built by people who immigrated from other states or countries. If it were not for them, California would not have succeeded economically. Diversity is what makes this state so great.
Mar 6th, 2002, 08:04 AM
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geeesh you all forgot to mention the high crime rate in San Jose. There are just a few pockets of decent neighborhoods in San Jose. All the others I wouldn't even drive through.
I've lived in the Bay Area for 50 years and have NEVER known anyone to proudly say, "Im from San Jose".
I've lived in the Bay Area for 50 years and have NEVER known anyone to proudly say, "Im from San Jose".
Mar 6th, 2002, 08:15 AM
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Dave,
San Jose, high crime rate!! Where have you been hiding. San Jose is consistently ranked as one of the safest big cities in the country. In fact for the last 5 consecutive years has been ranked the number 1 safest big city in the country. I believe that New York City is a close second.
San Jose, high crime rate!! Where have you been hiding. San Jose is consistently ranked as one of the safest big cities in the country. In fact for the last 5 consecutive years has been ranked the number 1 safest big city in the country. I believe that New York City is a close second.
Mar 6th, 2002, 08:37 AM
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Larry: Do you live here now? It's definitely not what it was. And yes I am selfish about denying additional people moving here. What's the point of packing in a zillion people and making it unpleasant to live here for everyone?
You speak of a "mystique" in California; that's the way it used to be. Am I a NIMBY, you bet I am. And both developer and diversity are becoming dirty words!
j
You speak of a "mystique" in California; that's the way it used to be. Am I a NIMBY, you bet I am. And both developer and diversity are becoming dirty words!
j
Mar 6th, 2002, 08:49 AM
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Tony,
Please post a URL to your information. I don't believe Money did a standard ranking this year because of the 9/11 attackes at they put it. They did highlight some cities that they deemed excellent but no San Jose. You're not relying on an old survey are you? Keep in mind how quickly things are changing there. I'm sincerely interested in seeing that list...post Url or the issue date.
thanks
Please post a URL to your information. I don't believe Money did a standard ranking this year because of the 9/11 attackes at they put it. They did highlight some cities that they deemed excellent but no San Jose. You're not relying on an old survey are you? Keep in mind how quickly things are changing there. I'm sincerely interested in seeing that list...post Url or the issue date.
thanks
Mar 6th, 2002, 09:22 AM
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So Carl is not from the US. Does not have a job. Does not know what jobs pay in San Jose. Does not tell us what job type he is looking for so we can't really categorize salary for him. Why has he chosen San Jose when he knows nothing about it? Why would someone from another country pick San Jose? Not exactly a household name outside CA. Was he throwing darts at a map of CA?
I'll tell you why. Carl is not real. He's the ruse for all those San Jose two letter posters who want to spout off about the wonders of San Jose. Notice how Carl keeps conveniently coming back to ask another question so that the two letter posters will continue to have an opportunity to extoll the virtues of SJ. What's up with that? What's up with the sudden promotion of San Jose? Has the Visitor's Bureau suddenly found Fodors?
I'll tell you why. Carl is not real. He's the ruse for all those San Jose two letter posters who want to spout off about the wonders of San Jose. Notice how Carl keeps conveniently coming back to ask another question so that the two letter posters will continue to have an opportunity to extoll the virtues of SJ. What's up with that? What's up with the sudden promotion of San Jose? Has the Visitor's Bureau suddenly found Fodors?
Mar 6th, 2002, 09:39 AM
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Well Mr. X, I am real...
I have a Job in San Jose, but I am no sure if the salary is good or the city is what I want to raise a family.
I will be working in the cientific/ education field.
I did not choose San Jose,but a company from San Jose wants to hire me.
Thanks.
I have a Job in San Jose, but I am no sure if the salary is good or the city is what I want to raise a family.
I will be working in the cientific/ education field.
I did not choose San Jose,but a company from San Jose wants to hire me.
Thanks.
Mar 6th, 2002, 09:47 AM
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Is xxxxx your real name? As for Susan being mine, whether it is or not would be silly for me to prove to you, but I assure you it is the only name I use when posting on fodors. I appreciate your fascination with me, though. I have no "deep personal contempt" for San Jose, nor do I bash it. Please point out a posting where I have and I will stand corrected. However, I do have many, many friends with college degrees and years of experience who are out of work in the San Jose area and I think if someone asks a question about relocating here it is only fair to inform them of the high housing costs and climbing unemployment. Nuff said.
Mar 6th, 2002, 10:06 AM
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Sure Carl. The ridiculous attempt to sound foreign in your note with the added benefit of the obvious mispelling. Your other posts are well stated, you use better spelling, including contractions, than most US posters and, what, suddenly you can't put together a decent note. Troll!
