Sell Me on the Bay Area!
Feb 22nd, 2020, 05:38 AM
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I've been to both, and much preferred SF. However, that was in 2012, and sounds like there has been a lot of change since then. However, you may find my reports useful:
https://mytimetotravel.wordpress.com/2012/05/14/settling-in-in-san-francisco/
https://mytimetotravel.wordpress.com...san-francisco/ -- do look into the wonderful City Guides: https://sfcityguides.org/
https://mytimetotravel.wordpress.com...san-francisco/
And do make use of Stu Dudley's research!
https://mytimetotravel.wordpress.com/2012/05/14/settling-in-in-san-francisco/
https://mytimetotravel.wordpress.com...san-francisco/ -- do look into the wonderful City Guides: https://sfcityguides.org/
https://mytimetotravel.wordpress.com...san-francisco/
And do make use of Stu Dudley's research!
Feb 22nd, 2020, 07:13 AM
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StuDudley's recommendations are awesome.
Just browsing through his postings makes me want to back my stuff and go back.
I admit that I have a soft spot also for the touristy stuff like Fisherman's Wharf or Pier 29. Or seeing the Golden Gate and the bridge from Fort Point. Or scaring my fellow travellers driving down Filbert Street. The view from Twin Peaks. Hanging out on Castro. Roaming Russian Hill, trying to find 28 Barbary Lane (ok, this is special interest). Driving towards the City on the Bay Bridge - probably the best cityscape vista available on this planet. Browsing City Lights bookstore before grabbing something to eat at the Stinking Rose and having some drinks at The Saloon. A lot of this is eye-rolling touristy, but hey, it's San Francisco. Or just hop on a bus and go to the neighborhoods that StuDudley mentions.
Just browsing through his postings makes me want to back my stuff and go back.
I admit that I have a soft spot also for the touristy stuff like Fisherman's Wharf or Pier 29. Or seeing the Golden Gate and the bridge from Fort Point. Or scaring my fellow travellers driving down Filbert Street. The view from Twin Peaks. Hanging out on Castro. Roaming Russian Hill, trying to find 28 Barbary Lane (ok, this is special interest). Driving towards the City on the Bay Bridge - probably the best cityscape vista available on this planet. Browsing City Lights bookstore before grabbing something to eat at the Stinking Rose and having some drinks at The Saloon. A lot of this is eye-rolling touristy, but hey, it's San Francisco. Or just hop on a bus and go to the neighborhoods that StuDudley mentions.
Feb 22nd, 2020, 11:23 AM
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""Driving towards the City on the Bay Bridge - probably the best cityscape vista available on this planet.""
I drove home from work on that section of the Bay Bridge for 4 1/2 hears. But my vote for the best views are on the north side of the GG Bridge, and up & up & up on Conzelman ave - where you first look through the GG Bridge back to The City, then over the GG Bridge to The City, and views down the SF & San Mateo coast. Then once on top (best views) take a 1-way road down and see The City behind you, but soon exchange that for a glorious view of the Golden Gate (entrance to the bay) and out into the Pacific Ocean. Then explore the Marin Headlands by car. There is an interesting museum there (only open Fri & weekends, I believe).
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I drove home from work on that section of the Bay Bridge for 4 1/2 hears. But my vote for the best views are on the north side of the GG Bridge, and up & up & up on Conzelman ave - where you first look through the GG Bridge back to The City, then over the GG Bridge to The City, and views down the SF & San Mateo coast. Then once on top (best views) take a 1-way road down and see The City behind you, but soon exchange that for a glorious view of the Golden Gate (entrance to the bay) and out into the Pacific Ocean. Then explore the Marin Headlands by car. There is an interesting museum there (only open Fri & weekends, I believe).
Stu Dudley
Feb 22nd, 2020, 12:18 PM
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My vote for best view of the City is from Treasure Island. When my son was in the navy I went to pick him up & the view is quite astonishing, something about the position seems to magnify everything. Having been born in SF & lived in Marin Co, East Bay & Peninsula I thought I'd seen it from every possible angle, including from sail boats & ferries but that one was really something.
Feb 22nd, 2020, 12:45 PM
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San Francisco is located in such a beautiful & unique setting, that there are dozens of A+ views from many different locations. About 20 years ago, a person e-mailed me to thank me for recommending the view from the top floor of a parking garage above the North Beach police station. She & her boyfriend were visiting SF & the boyfriend was amazed that she knew of such an obscure location with a great view.
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Feb 23rd, 2020, 11:14 AM
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OK! The https://sfcityguides.org/ is now required reading!
The responses here have been amazing! The information I'm compiling here will also serve to help DS as he navigates his new home, too.
sunburn_1944 “Take ferry to Sausalito for the day.” Great suggestion. I investigated and learned that one can rent a bicycle and ride across the Golden Gate Bridge and then take the ferry back. Adding this to the list.
mlgb. Thank you for the specific tidepool suggestion. We were in Folly Beach in late December and I was thrilled to be beachcombing then; looking forward to some Pacific-side finds!
Dave_S. “Take the Judah line out to the end and walk Ocean beach to the Suto Baths to Coastal trail and if ambitious on to Baker Beach and the Presidio. Take the ferry to Angel Island and hike around there. So many outdoor activities you just don’t have in NYC (by the way, I like NYC as well).”
I am seeing my folly of TBC (typing before coffee). So far, I still see SF as a sunnier NYC. One is a tech hub; the other, a financial hub. Both offer plenty of diverse cuisine. Both are expensive across the board. And now I’m learning that there is public-accessible hiking within reasonable distances from both cities, too. Now I'm looking forward to the comparison!
MmePerdu. Thank you for the link to your travelog. I very much appreciate the logistics information as well as the personal stories.
Gardyloo. “Visit the old Spanish mission in Carmel, or the great Monterey aquarium, or spend an afternoon in glorious Point Lobos. It's a couple of hours from SF (depending on traffic) but it can feel like you're a million miles away.”
Renting a car is not a hard, “No;” we would just really, really rather avoid having to use it on this first of what will be many visits. However, Carmel is gaining in appeal…
starrs. “It's very diverse and a lot to see and do there, if one has interests in discovering new things.” Good grief. You have commented on some of my travel reports enough to know that I can find Greenville, S.C. as much of a discovery as Islamabad, Pakistan.
janisj, I like the Japanese Tea Garden and DeYoung Museum suggestions. We’re leaving the baseball game up to DS; he has to decide which area team to cheer for first!
StuDudley, thank you for the thorough read! (The Wells Fargo Museum looks like it is worth the visit!) I have added everything to the growing file I am creating for this visit.
thursdaysd, thanks. I am mining trip reports for “nuggets.”
sf7307, love the urban hiking routes; we are all wanderers/hikers.
The responses here have been amazing! The information I'm compiling here will also serve to help DS as he navigates his new home, too.
sunburn_1944 “Take ferry to Sausalito for the day.” Great suggestion. I investigated and learned that one can rent a bicycle and ride across the Golden Gate Bridge and then take the ferry back. Adding this to the list.
mlgb. Thank you for the specific tidepool suggestion. We were in Folly Beach in late December and I was thrilled to be beachcombing then; looking forward to some Pacific-side finds!
Dave_S. “Take the Judah line out to the end and walk Ocean beach to the Suto Baths to Coastal trail and if ambitious on to Baker Beach and the Presidio. Take the ferry to Angel Island and hike around there. So many outdoor activities you just don’t have in NYC (by the way, I like NYC as well).”
I am seeing my folly of TBC (typing before coffee). So far, I still see SF as a sunnier NYC. One is a tech hub; the other, a financial hub. Both offer plenty of diverse cuisine. Both are expensive across the board. And now I’m learning that there is public-accessible hiking within reasonable distances from both cities, too. Now I'm looking forward to the comparison!
MmePerdu. Thank you for the link to your travelog. I very much appreciate the logistics information as well as the personal stories.
Gardyloo. “Visit the old Spanish mission in Carmel, or the great Monterey aquarium, or spend an afternoon in glorious Point Lobos. It's a couple of hours from SF (depending on traffic) but it can feel like you're a million miles away.”
Renting a car is not a hard, “No;” we would just really, really rather avoid having to use it on this first of what will be many visits. However, Carmel is gaining in appeal…
starrs. “It's very diverse and a lot to see and do there, if one has interests in discovering new things.” Good grief. You have commented on some of my travel reports enough to know that I can find Greenville, S.C. as much of a discovery as Islamabad, Pakistan.
janisj, I like the Japanese Tea Garden and DeYoung Museum suggestions. We’re leaving the baseball game up to DS; he has to decide which area team to cheer for first!
StuDudley, thank you for the thorough read! (The Wells Fargo Museum looks like it is worth the visit!) I have added everything to the growing file I am creating for this visit.
thursdaysd, thanks. I am mining trip reports for “nuggets.”
sf7307, love the urban hiking routes; we are all wanderers/hikers.
Feb 23rd, 2020, 08:18 PM
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Fourfor, i can se why you got some of the reactions you did; starting with the "sell me" title, it's kind of a negative opener. I think you got some excellent feedback anyway so hopefully that helps your planning.
Taking into account your wish to avoid the car rental, and maybe saving the gorgeous Monterey Peninsula for another trip, I second the recommendations for a ferry ride over to Sausalito, another ferry ride over to Angel Island for hiking and views.
As noted, try walking along the Embarcadero, now wide open after the removal of the Embarcadero Freeway; lunch at Slanted Door at the Ferry Building complex before or after the ferry ride or combined with a walk.
Public trans or Ubering over to the Presidio, home of LucasFilm and several other enterprises but full of great views and walks; heading over to Chestnut Street and the Marina, with more lovely long bay front walks.
Polk Street and the Mission have their charms as well as remarkable restaurants. Al's Place in the Mission earns its Michelin star. Coffee/Books in North Beach.
Nob Hill has not only the Fairmont/high end hotels, but also Grace Cathedral and its two labyrinths.
If you end up in Palo Alto, you have, on the Stanford campus, Anderson Modern Art Museum, the Cantor, Bing Concert Hall with many lively arts performances, hiking up to "the Dish," the Hoover Archives, and more.
San Mateo coast side is a lovely, relatively rural area, but does require auto transportation.
Taking into account your wish to avoid the car rental, and maybe saving the gorgeous Monterey Peninsula for another trip, I second the recommendations for a ferry ride over to Sausalito, another ferry ride over to Angel Island for hiking and views.
As noted, try walking along the Embarcadero, now wide open after the removal of the Embarcadero Freeway; lunch at Slanted Door at the Ferry Building complex before or after the ferry ride or combined with a walk.
Public trans or Ubering over to the Presidio, home of LucasFilm and several other enterprises but full of great views and walks; heading over to Chestnut Street and the Marina, with more lovely long bay front walks.
Polk Street and the Mission have their charms as well as remarkable restaurants. Al's Place in the Mission earns its Michelin star. Coffee/Books in North Beach.
Nob Hill has not only the Fairmont/high end hotels, but also Grace Cathedral and its two labyrinths.
If you end up in Palo Alto, you have, on the Stanford campus, Anderson Modern Art Museum, the Cantor, Bing Concert Hall with many lively arts performances, hiking up to "the Dish," the Hoover Archives, and more.
San Mateo coast side is a lovely, relatively rural area, but does require auto transportation.
Feb 23rd, 2020, 09:29 PM
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OK! The https://sfcityguides.org/ is now required reading!
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starrs. “It's very diverse and a lot to see and do there, if one has interests in discovering new things.” Good grief. You have commented on some of my travel reports enough to know that I can find Greenville, S.C. as much of a discovery as Islamabad, Pakistan.
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starrs. “It's very diverse and a lot to see and do there, if one has interests in discovering new things.” Good grief. You have commented on some of my travel reports enough to know that I can find Greenville, S.C. as much of a discovery as Islamabad, Pakistan.
Answer to the previously asked question = popsicles.
Visit in summer. You'll see.
Glad you liked the free tour suggestion.
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Feb 23rd, 2020, 09:40 PM
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We travel to San Francisco every few years. This has been for fun, for work, to take my son to a summer internship, on the way through to other places. And we never get tired of it. It's just a great great city and metro area with so many different things to do.
I will try not to repeat the many excellent ideas you've already been given. Your best resource you've already found in Stu. I would also mention that Fodorite Maitaitom has a great set of reviews on all of the California missions.
The city guides have been excellent. The one inside Coit Tower seeing the murals with an explanation of what they meant is definitely something you should do when it occurs on one of your trips. The Chinatown tour was also very special.
The Legion of Honor can have some outstanding traveling shows. It is a great museum. The DeYoung, be sure to go all the way to the top floor--again, for the view. There is a Frank Lloyd Wright building on/ near Maiden Lane, that is now a gallery. Not a long stop but really wonderful and different.
I would recommend you re-think Alcatraz, if not this trip then another. My husband and I "saved" doing this one until all our kids were old enough. We were very impressed with the narrated tour in headphones. It is unlike any other I've ever heard. I highly recommend.
On one trip, we stayed out by Larkspur Landing at a Courtyard Marriott, I'm guessing you would stay with your son. I'm mentioning it because it's yet another great ferry ride. They have food trucks come one day a week (Sunday?) but Bel Campo was a huge hit with our kids. Amazing hamburgers, and a vertical style business, where they raise all their own meat.
I loved Half Moon Bay. The shops there were also super cute. I loved that next to some very high end ones, there was a traditional feed store with chickens for sale. Awesome.
Head to the Mission district, and while it isn't as cool as Carmel, there is Mission Dolores right in the city. Besides the district itself. Tacos in the Mission is one of the better cheap food deals. Well, after the Ferry Building.
Head to Haight-Ashbury if you love music. You can lose half of a day in Amoeba Records without trying. Part of the fun is to listen before you buy. Note: This is a good destination for mass transit or Uber, as the parking even in a smart car was very tough to find, and no paid lot to be had.
One time I was staying with friends near San Mateo. I took the train into the city. First, the post office was just wonderful--decorated with murals and a great 15 minute stop. I went to City Hall on a weekday around noon. It was a such a place of life. Wedding couples were getting their photos taken everywhere. And there was a music group followed by a live drama group. Gorgeous building too.
I will try not to repeat the many excellent ideas you've already been given. Your best resource you've already found in Stu. I would also mention that Fodorite Maitaitom has a great set of reviews on all of the California missions.
The city guides have been excellent. The one inside Coit Tower seeing the murals with an explanation of what they meant is definitely something you should do when it occurs on one of your trips. The Chinatown tour was also very special.
The Legion of Honor can have some outstanding traveling shows. It is a great museum. The DeYoung, be sure to go all the way to the top floor--again, for the view. There is a Frank Lloyd Wright building on/ near Maiden Lane, that is now a gallery. Not a long stop but really wonderful and different.
I would recommend you re-think Alcatraz, if not this trip then another. My husband and I "saved" doing this one until all our kids were old enough. We were very impressed with the narrated tour in headphones. It is unlike any other I've ever heard. I highly recommend.
On one trip, we stayed out by Larkspur Landing at a Courtyard Marriott, I'm guessing you would stay with your son. I'm mentioning it because it's yet another great ferry ride. They have food trucks come one day a week (Sunday?) but Bel Campo was a huge hit with our kids. Amazing hamburgers, and a vertical style business, where they raise all their own meat.
I loved Half Moon Bay. The shops there were also super cute. I loved that next to some very high end ones, there was a traditional feed store with chickens for sale. Awesome.
Head to the Mission district, and while it isn't as cool as Carmel, there is Mission Dolores right in the city. Besides the district itself. Tacos in the Mission is one of the better cheap food deals. Well, after the Ferry Building.
Head to Haight-Ashbury if you love music. You can lose half of a day in Amoeba Records without trying. Part of the fun is to listen before you buy. Note: This is a good destination for mass transit or Uber, as the parking even in a smart car was very tough to find, and no paid lot to be had.
One time I was staying with friends near San Mateo. I took the train into the city. First, the post office was just wonderful--decorated with murals and a great 15 minute stop. I went to City Hall on a weekday around noon. It was a such a place of life. Wedding couples were getting their photos taken everywhere. And there was a music group followed by a live drama group. Gorgeous building too.
Feb 24th, 2020, 03:58 AM
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annw. "If you end up in Palo Alto,..." We are hoping DS will be in Palo Alto. I really enjoyed my (short work) visit and the little bit of sightseeing I could squeeze in.
5alive, thank you for the personal suggestions. After seven years in Central Europe we craved real Mexican/Tex-Mex/Amerexican food, so we'll be certain to be all over the taco scene. For the family visit we will rent an airbnb or whatever is legal in San Francisco (or wherever DS is actually placed.)
"You can lose half of a day in Amoeba Records without trying." Excellent suggestion to pass along to DS. Vinyl constitutes about 75% of his personal belongings. Baseball cards would make up an additional 20%, but those are stored at our home. For now.
5alive, thank you for the personal suggestions. After seven years in Central Europe we craved real Mexican/Tex-Mex/Amerexican food, so we'll be certain to be all over the taco scene. For the family visit we will rent an airbnb or whatever is legal in San Francisco (or wherever DS is actually placed.)
"You can lose half of a day in Amoeba Records without trying." Excellent suggestion to pass along to DS. Vinyl constitutes about 75% of his personal belongings. Baseball cards would make up an additional 20%, but those are stored at our home. For now.
Feb 24th, 2020, 04:56 AM
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Adding to the list of Stanford activities - take a tour of the linear accelerator, visit the Rodin sculpture garden outside the Cantor museum (the largest collection of Rodin sculptures outside of France).
Feb 24th, 2020, 06:11 AM
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"SF bears no resemblance to NYC & I admit my reaction to the post was a variation on fmpden's theme. However, the approach aside, I'll try to be useful."
Me too. SF is an incredible city not to be dismissed--and bears NO resemblance to NYC, IMO, just to reiterate.. I lived in Berkeley a hundred years ago in grad school. The Bay Area is a rich exploration. Someone suggested Muir Woods--worthy, and I don't think Central Europe has ANYthing like it.
Another trip DO include one of my votes for a "wonder of the world"--Yosemite.
Even living among vineyards in another life, Sonoma and Napa have charming towns to explore, eat well, drink well.
Eureka on up the coast is another fun day trip.
And if DS is going to be HQed in Palo Alto read up on the real estate scene in SF and commuter buses taking Silicon Valley workers from SF to their work.
Dismissive questions often receive dismissive answers. Sorry for both but it happens.
Me too. SF is an incredible city not to be dismissed--and bears NO resemblance to NYC, IMO, just to reiterate.. I lived in Berkeley a hundred years ago in grad school. The Bay Area is a rich exploration. Someone suggested Muir Woods--worthy, and I don't think Central Europe has ANYthing like it.
Another trip DO include one of my votes for a "wonder of the world"--Yosemite.
Even living among vineyards in another life, Sonoma and Napa have charming towns to explore, eat well, drink well.
Eureka on up the coast is another fun day trip.
And if DS is going to be HQed in Palo Alto read up on the real estate scene in SF and commuter buses taking Silicon Valley workers from SF to their work.
Dismissive questions often receive dismissive answers. Sorry for both but it happens.
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Feb 24th, 2020, 06:44 AM
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Regarding the real estate scene... be prepared for sticker shock, limited supply / competition to get, and commute distances.
About a year ago I was considering a Si valley job offer in San Jose. My real estate search turned up some nice apartments in central Sunnyvale near the train station, walking distance to shops and restaurants. The price was around $4000/mo for a 1br apartment. We were looking for a 2br, and those were going for $4500 to $5000/mo. I have many friends in that area and many have children living with them (no empty nest...), especially if the child doesn't have one of the very high paying high tech jobs.
IIRC the commuter buses taking Si valley workers to their jobs are all privately contracted by mega employers the likes of Apple, Google, & Facebook . They all offer wifi so employees can do some work/email while in transit.
About a year ago I was considering a Si valley job offer in San Jose. My real estate search turned up some nice apartments in central Sunnyvale near the train station, walking distance to shops and restaurants. The price was around $4000/mo for a 1br apartment. We were looking for a 2br, and those were going for $4500 to $5000/mo. I have many friends in that area and many have children living with them (no empty nest...), especially if the child doesn't have one of the very high paying high tech jobs.
IIRC the commuter buses taking Si valley workers to their jobs are all privately contracted by mega employers the likes of Apple, Google, & Facebook . They all offer wifi so employees can do some work/email while in transit.
Feb 24th, 2020, 06:52 AM
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""Rodin sculpture garden outside the Cantor museum (the largest collection of Rodin sculptures outside of France).""
I think it's the Palace of the Legion of Honor that has the largest collection outside of France.
""Al's Place in the Mission earns its Michelin star.""
Great food - but it gets my vote for the noisiest restaurant in The City.
Stu Dudley
I think it's the Palace of the Legion of Honor that has the largest collection outside of France.
""Al's Place in the Mission earns its Michelin star.""
Great food - but it gets my vote for the noisiest restaurant in The City.
Stu Dudley
Feb 24th, 2020, 01:39 PM
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I am still trying to figure out how San Francisco is anything like NYC! I could easily fill 4-5 days on foot right in the heart of the city. Just wandering around. It's a gorgeous city. Totally different 'vibe" than back east. But you sound so set against it, seems it's going to be a challenge to win you over. Anytime someone posts "sell me" on whatever... probably isn't going to work.
Feb 24th, 2020, 02:51 PM
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My feeling is, with so many possibilities, if someone needs to be sold, why not just go somewhere else (and the Bay Area if far too crowded already). But I understand why in this case so just wondering why that approach to begin with. If we failed to sell it, would you not go? No. Maybe an attempt at humor? My advice, attitude where people's home is concerned is not a good idea.
Feb 24th, 2020, 06:15 PM
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I think you got off to a wrong start here based on the caption . . "Sell me" and the body of the second and third paragraphs in what I perceived as dissing the Bay area as a whole and SF in particular. Glad you got back on track.
You CAN experience the bay area only using public transportation, even a trip down to Palo Alto on the Caltrain, or a trek to Cal Berkeley on BART. Within San Francisco, there are plenty of buses . . . my favorite is the Number 30 that takes you from pretty close (short walk) from Crissy Field, through the lovely Marina district, past Fisherman's Wharf, Washington Square, Little Italy (North Beach), Chinatown, Union Square, practically all the way to Oracle Park, then loops back past the SF Museum of Modern Art.
Some of the more unusual public art exists all over the City, including the 16th Avenue Tiled Steps. See 16TH AVENUE Tiled Steps - Home
You CAN experience the bay area only using public transportation, even a trip down to Palo Alto on the Caltrain, or a trek to Cal Berkeley on BART. Within San Francisco, there are plenty of buses . . . my favorite is the Number 30 that takes you from pretty close (short walk) from Crissy Field, through the lovely Marina district, past Fisherman's Wharf, Washington Square, Little Italy (North Beach), Chinatown, Union Square, practically all the way to Oracle Park, then loops back past the SF Museum of Modern Art.
Some of the more unusual public art exists all over the City, including the 16th Avenue Tiled Steps. See 16TH AVENUE Tiled Steps - Home
Feb 24th, 2020, 06:43 PM
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Palace of the Legion if Honor - “In addition to Rodin’s bronzes, the museum holds a wide spectrum of his plasters, models, fragments, and works on paper making the Legion one of the most comprehensive holdings of Rodin’s work in the United States.”
Rodin Sculpture Garden at Stanford -
“Located next to the Cantor Arts Center but accessible at all hours, the Rodin Sculpture Garden houses the largest collection of Auguste Rodin sculptures outside of Paris, and the New Guinea Sculpture Garden.”
Rodin Sculpture Garden at Stanford -
“Located next to the Cantor Arts Center but accessible at all hours, the Rodin Sculpture Garden houses the largest collection of Auguste Rodin sculptures outside of Paris, and the New Guinea Sculpture Garden.”
Feb 25th, 2020, 04:15 AM
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As for, “attitude where people's home is concerned,” advice I suppose I am thick-skinned about that. For twenty years D.C. was our home; I read all sorts of (attitude-laced) comments about reasons not to visit, the greatest uptick being since November 2016. If I had wanted to be dismissive of the Bay Area I suppose I could have posed an ill-informed attitude-laced question like this:
Sell me on the Bay Area. What are the best walking routes to dodge dirty drug needles and crap on the sidewalk?
And living in Vienna, debates about Sacher Torte aside, the city inspires a bit of love and hate across the board. A long-term Fodorite flat out posted that I was a Nazi for living in (and liking) the city. I’d like to think they were drunk-posting, but with that poster I am dubious.
But for a work trip to Stanford I had no occasion to, and never found inspiration to travel to the West Coast. In my eye, SF is a sunnier version of NYC. I love NYC, warts and all, and thanks to the helpful and personal comments, and perspectives shared here I'll be visiting the Bay Area better informed.
Sell me on the Bay Area. What are the best walking routes to dodge dirty drug needles and crap on the sidewalk?
And living in Vienna, debates about Sacher Torte aside, the city inspires a bit of love and hate across the board. A long-term Fodorite flat out posted that I was a Nazi for living in (and liking) the city. I’d like to think they were drunk-posting, but with that poster I am dubious.
But for a work trip to Stanford I had no occasion to, and never found inspiration to travel to the West Coast. In my eye, SF is a sunnier version of NYC. I love NYC, warts and all, and thanks to the helpful and personal comments, and perspectives shared here I'll be visiting the Bay Area better informed.
Feb 25th, 2020, 04:25 AM
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Why?
Because it's in the huge state of California? It's in northern California.
It's COLD in the summer. Popsicle tourists who come to a California city expecting a "sunnier version of XYZ". Bring something warm or join the others and buy a SF sweatshirt.
Greenville = Pakistan.
SF = "sunnier version of NYC".
You have a strange twist on your version of the world and I've never read a post by you about a US city that is not dismissive. It's evidently your style, the way you operate in this world. You may find it droll. Don't blame others if they don't.
Because it's in the huge state of California? It's in northern California.
It's COLD in the summer. Popsicle tourists who come to a California city expecting a "sunnier version of XYZ". Bring something warm or join the others and buy a SF sweatshirt.
Greenville = Pakistan.
SF = "sunnier version of NYC".
You have a strange twist on your version of the world and I've never read a post by you about a US city that is not dismissive. It's evidently your style, the way you operate in this world. You may find it droll. Don't blame others if they don't.
